Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? The point is he made a bad team worse. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. November 10, 2002 Jim Snedeker Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Man, he was a big one. Randy Tate An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. March 5, 2006 NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. End of Line He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. March 5, 2006 mets Rumor is they worked with Capone. NYB Buff Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! Al But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. He pitched a. And Rusty Staub? August 7, 2018 NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Jim Snedeker September 25, 2013 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. August 7, 2018 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. October 13, 2008 As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Rumor had it that a car left the tracks on one occasion and dropped out of site. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. September 12, 2002 Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. By July 1972 the Cowboys had had enough; he was traded to San Diego, then to Washington. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Logan Swanson October 13, 2008 October 4, 2006 Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. Mike B Mickey Lolich 6xInscribed & Signed Detroit Tigers Jersey (JSA COA) 1968 Champion. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. October 19, 2011 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. senor ortiz But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. October 19, 2011 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. April 24, 2003 I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Jamey Bumbalo And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Al December 8, 2006 December 20, 2019 Mr. Sparkle Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. June 30, 2001 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Raymond Malcuit The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. He started 45 games and completed 29. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. December 8, 2006 But Don Grant was bananas, and he took the first decent offer he received. Shari senor ortiz Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Really? I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Bobster1985 June 11, 2003 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. After the season, Lolich rejected claims that his weight was the problem. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. No contest. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. May 6, 2003 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. November 10, 2002 He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. No idea, but as a kid I liked the ice fountain sculpture thing they did in the winter. No contest. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. =Chuck= =Chuck= Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. Mickey Lolich Pitcher 19631979 PITCHER LeveL Star Pitcher rank #82 ALL-TIME Player Detail September 12, 1940, in Portland, OR BORN STILL LIVING DIED 19631979 Playing Career Played from 22-38 PLAYING AGE Left-Handed THREW Power PITCHING STYLE Tigers Primary Team 1968 Tigers World Series Titles NONE Nickname 6-1 HEIGHT 170 WEIGHT May 12, 1963 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Bobster1985 Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. OK it was a terrible trade. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. March 22, 2005 Lolich was a fine pitcher. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. May 8, 2003 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Really? Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. feat fan I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. LA-Mets Randy Tate Man, he was a big one. Michael You can't come out and talk for five minutes when things are exploding in the kitchen. Dianna Jeanneh Jones October 13, 2008 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. That's more realistic but generous, I think! etc. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. April 23, 2003 Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. That's more realistic but generous, I think! - Now for the trade itself. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. But there it is, next to the Lake Orion (Mich.) U.S. Post Office, a 45-minute ride from Tiger Stadium. Ken Akerman I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. April 23, 2003 Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. That would make him a star in today's market. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. November 10, 2002 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. Man, he was a big one. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. July 15, 2016 Peter Jamey Bumbalo February 28, 2003 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. pete He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Jamey Bumbalo Rusty could hit with the lights out. 2014 Topps 1977 75th Anniversary Buyback #565 Mickey Lolich: $1.97: 2014 Topps 1979 75th Anniversary Buyback #164 Mickey Lolich: $1.09: 2015 Topps 1966 Original Buyback #455 Mickey Lolich: $4.97: 2015 Topps 1976 Original Buyback #385 Mickey Lolich: $1.08: 2015 Topps 1977 Original Buyback #565 Mickey Lolich: $4.53 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. June 2, 2006 Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Ramblin' Pete You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. The point is he made a bad team worse. Several double-decker boats offered lake excursions replete with bands and a dance floor on the upper deck. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. April 27, 2013 Ken Akerman I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. January 12, 2011 Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. April 30, 2009 LA-Mets Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. LA-Mets The point is he made a bad team worse. April 24, 2003 Bobster1985 And complaining about how fat he was? to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. April 27, 2013 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. April 24, 2003 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Bartolo Colon etc). Shickhaus Franks 6'1", 170???? Larry Burns But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Mets players and personnel who are no longer with us. Cut him some slack. May 8, 2003 But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. April 30, 2009 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. October 19, 2011 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Al As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Larry Burns He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. October 19, 2011 I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Bob P Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Bartolo Colon etc). Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. This figure has only been beaten by three other left-handed pitchers in the years since Lolich set the Major League record. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! NYB Buff The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. =Chuck= Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. April 20, 2002 I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Mickey liked his doughnuts. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! He goes up one notch for being a character! NO WAY he was 170 pounds. October 18, 2008 The point is he made a bad team worse. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Al Shickhaus Franks What an interesting parallel, huh? His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. senor ortiz 170 lbs.? - Now for the trade itself. 170 lbs.? etc. eddiek 6'1", 170???? May 7, 2013 October 13, 2008 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. April 6, 2012 pete Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. GoMets2006 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. John Bruce Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. July 15, 2016 In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. April 23, 2003 After one year in New York Lolich retired. March 22, 2005 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! 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